tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6966265797906043497.post7820167499257395236..comments2024-03-26T16:39:21.906-07:00Comments on Very Dumb Government: Free Baby Holm Part 8Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6966265797906043497.post-19015742677723996892018-05-26T20:08:08.165-07:002018-05-26T20:08:08.165-07:00There was no reason to take the Holm baby. I find...There was no reason to take the Holm baby. I find it utterly disgusting and outrageous that people like you think that the state has any rights to take children away from their mothers and fathers. The people in the government are communist assholes who are involved in child trafficking.Very Dumb Governmenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02876506942640912935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6966265797906043497.post-2091581201152750182018-05-19T07:28:24.336-07:002018-05-19T07:28:24.336-07:00If you believe the first people on this earth were...If you believe the first people on this earth were Adam and Eve, and that their sons were Caine and Abel, then the first people on this earth raised a murderer. Not a ringing endorsement of their parenting skills.<br /><br />While parents have rights, children have rights too. Parents' rights to their children extend only as far as how to meet the rights of their children. A child has a right to safety. If a parent is unstable to the point of dangerous, then that child's right to safety must be served, even if it means being away from a dangerous parent. So, yes, mental health history matters.Applenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6966265797906043497.post-8477671699060349502018-02-18T09:40:11.938-08:002018-02-18T09:40:11.938-08:00Regardless of whether they didn't have a "...Regardless of whether they didn't have a "pot to piss in" doesn't address the issue of kidnapping. The first people on the earth didn't need all that and they made it work without the help or the evil of the government. Not having a pot to piss in isn't sufficient probable cause of any abuse. And it is well known that the DHR of Alabama may be involved in child trafficking, which had just come to light by the pizzagate controversy. When did the state determine that poor people are not allowed to have children. There are a lot of people who are trying to "live off the grid." Under the natural law, they have the freedom to do it without any interference from the government. Christian's medical history is not an issue to decide whether or not his baby should be stolen. The people at the DHR are liars, thieves, cheats, and kidnappers with no authority to do any of it. The cops are just as guilty because they are dumbed-down order followers. People like you should grow up and realize that the government is as immature, stupid, and evil as anything can get. Some of the issues you alluded to should be worked out by friends and family. <br /><br />As far as the internet fame, Christian took down has Facebook page and I think the reason is that they were getting threatened by someone. <br /><br />I think the facts show that the DHR is involved in child trafficking of one form or another and that it is the money that is the motivation. I don't know how deep this all goes but it is extremely ugly.Very Dumb Governmenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02876506942640912935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6966265797906043497.post-59059701186689014392018-02-18T04:06:31.179-08:002018-02-18T04:06:31.179-08:00They did not "make" them show ID and tak...They did not "make" them show ID and take the baby away for that reason nor because they did not have a name yet nor because they did not want a social security number nor because they did not want a birth certificate nor because they did not want vaccines nor because they did not want any shots. <br /><br />They took the baby away because they did not have a pot to piss in and the DIAGNOSED schizophrenic father was acting like a lunatic. Handing a newborn to a man who is wandering around the hospital mumbling and dirty who also is asking about child services sets a red flag. Them refusing to show ID did not help and the hospital staff did initially think they were another couple but had that not happened it would not have changed the course of this case. When child services arrived they learned these people had only a few items necessary for a baby. They did not even have a car seat. <br /><br />To top it off, the community rallied around and helped these two to have EVERYTHING they needed. They were given two trailers, one better than the other. Someone took out a loan to get the second one, which they gave away. All they had to do was allow DHR or a GAL to see the trailer and they would have had their child a long time ago. They refused. They showed a rental receipt and expected that to work.<br /><br />They do not want this child back. This has been only about the donations and internet fame. At this point, they are required to take a psychological evaluation due to their absurd behavior and Christian's RECORDED medical history. Before he was first medicated he was going around killing small animals. They know they will not pass and instead of doing it and getting treatment they just lie, just as Thompson is doing so here, to get gullible idiots, criminals who already hate the government, and other lunatics that lost their children for being sorry parents to support them.<br /><br />Also, Armani, this is in America where there are places that require ID and people know this and are told this. If they do not like it, they can leave the country.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6966265797906043497.post-25014533557824556402018-02-14T10:13:36.842-08:002018-02-14T10:13:36.842-08:00Another victim of state-induced brain lavage. How...Another victim of state-induced brain lavage. How typical in this globalised country. If the parents are not abusing the child, the child belongs with the parents. The fundamental goal, here, more than the horrific kidnapping, which is illegal, is the family being destroyed. To remove popular sovereignty, which is the government's perpetual task.Scribehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18066617669579285925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6966265797906043497.post-54558163344355225142018-02-14T10:01:29.557-08:002018-02-14T10:01:29.557-08:00Anonymous... is always a shill for the government....Anonymous... is always a shill for the government. Scribehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18066617669579285925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6966265797906043497.post-39865576106126818972018-02-14T10:00:20.396-08:002018-02-14T10:00:20.396-08:00Al, ignore the imbeciles who are closed-minded. T...Al, ignore the imbeciles who are closed-minded. The evil is indeed going on. Scribehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18066617669579285925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6966265797906043497.post-61218397679030000782017-12-07T15:11:12.639-08:002017-12-07T15:11:12.639-08:00The state, State, or STATE has no authority over G...The state, State, or STATE has no authority over God's natural law which dictates that a baby belongs with his natural mother and father. Anything else is of the Devil. There was no evidence of any physical abuse and they were trying to enjoy their newborn. People like you are the problem. You worship the state. The facts show that the state is evil to the core; all you have to do is look at it.Very Dumb Governmenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02876506942640912935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6966265797906043497.post-10512040752853565642017-12-03T16:51:55.208-08:002017-12-03T16:51:55.208-08:00You are sick!!!! The fact that they didn’t want to...You are sick!!!! The fact that they didn’t want to show id or give fingerprints raise red flags as excuse to take someone’s baby!!!! Wtf who are you or anyone else to make someone Id themselves with no crime committed? This is not nazi Germany where you have to id for no reason other than quote “red flags”. You all should be locked up for your crimes. You are the one who needs to be identified and fingerprinted Armanihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00467234857258483226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6966265797906043497.post-32363424009253405512017-12-03T11:01:15.389-08:002017-12-03T11:01:15.389-08:00Am Thompson have you had a mental evaluation Am Thompson have you had a mental evaluation Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6966265797906043497.post-13016878286946296542017-07-05T09:03:21.839-07:002017-07-05T09:03:21.839-07:00Susan, I think whoever the response about "ho...Susan, I think whoever the response about "how's that working out for you?'is actually doing pretty good I suspect you mean the Understanding the Baby Holm Case FB group. I was an all in, donate my money supporter until just recently. The story never stays the same and they avoid at all cost answering even the simplest question.<br /><br />I think its worked out pretty well for them. Danielle's backpedaling in trying to explain things on the Free page and even contradicting herself in one post. And oh yeah, is the baby back with the Holms yet????Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6966265797906043497.post-43524992648490543672017-06-30T19:07:18.963-07:002017-06-30T19:07:18.963-07:00Your post is an insult to anyone's intelligenc...Your post is an insult to anyone's intelligence and is a perfect example of why some mothers eat their young.Very Dumb Governmenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02876506942640912935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6966265797906043497.post-54614008403648333182017-06-30T15:58:28.985-07:002017-06-30T15:58:28.985-07:00One day better come quick, so far they've show...One day better come quick, so far they've shown us nothing but how justified DHR was in taking that baby and protecting him from his delusional parents.<br /><br />TPR is coming soon. Put up or shut upAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6966265797906043497.post-92110450069163051302017-06-29T19:29:47.937-07:002017-06-29T19:29:47.937-07:00Well singing Susan, you have no idea who I am or e...Well singing Susan, you have no idea who I am or exactly who or what I know or how I know it. You claim to KNOW based on one side of the story, which has just enough of the truth weaved throughout, it can be twisted to match other accounts of the story. The problem comes in when compared side by side all the different stories they told and how many times the story has change to fit the audience it is being told to.<br /><br /><br /> I have absolutely no reason to lie. Case in Point: You show up at a hospital demanding and threatening people and their families you, send up red flags. You REFUSE to show ids until law enforcement shows up and then cry foul when they demand fingerprints. You compound your problems further by refusing to complete the fingerprints until the judge orders you.<br /><br />Who has motive to lie, who's attempting to make money of the shoulders of unsuspecting followers, (again), and who would rather walk or drive (depending on which version of the story you read) from their baby than to stay and comply? Christian and Danielle Holms, that's who.<br /><br />Look who attempted to gain sympathy for gain on the backs of foster children, mentally handicapped, and elderly people. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.youcaring.com/medical-fundraiser/Danielle-s-Hope-For-Holistic-Health-/41720&ved=0ahUKEwjC-sCoht3UAhUHGD4KHR2FCpkQFghNMA0&usg=AFQjCNFjM_d0Gnt46_K46LDEm7rA4NTX4QCleburne County residenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14956348406459004274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6966265797906043497.post-13135394612720293402017-06-29T19:02:00.184-07:002017-06-29T19:02:00.184-07:00There is no good reason to believe you, Susan Dunn...There is no good reason to believe you, Susan Dunn Cobb, and good reason to believe that the State of Alabama took custody of the child under appropriate and legal circumstances and that the parents have worked day and night in pursuing a course that would guarantee what we are seeing now (i.e., that the baby would not be returned any time soon).<br /><br />That is what the parents have not, cannot refute.<br /><br />If they think they can, I stand ready to advance that conversation/debate.<br /><br />If they want to send out their Champion on their behalf I will also consider that discussion.RLBatyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14685581652348535601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6966265797906043497.post-41598429059922222532017-06-29T06:49:39.581-07:002017-06-29T06:49:39.581-07:00They have blessed us with their love, to answer yo...They have blessed us with their love, to answer your question and we will do anything and everything for them, just as we would for our own kids. We are all fellow believers. Who and what are you, Cleburne county resident?Susan Dunn Cobbhttp://facebook.com/stillworkingforJesusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6966265797906043497.post-38204844752657520292017-06-29T06:46:47.933-07:002017-06-29T06:46:47.933-07:00Another thing, Cleburne county resident. We were w...Another thing, Cleburne county resident. We were with them when we all decided to go to DC. That day we all drove away. We went to get our other home (a sailboat) back in Florida and they drove to a location to store their car for walking. We both have the ability to do these things we have accomplished. We stored our RV and are now almost to DC in our boat where we will join up again with them. They were walking on their journey and encountered some difficult situations but are now in DC. There are no lies, only people who try to distract from the truth of what actually happened by calling the victims liars. That is a narcissistic behavior (or just a highly paid professional member of the team working to discredit the Holms. Not workin'out so well for you, is it now?Susan Dunn Cobbhttp://facebook.com/stillworkingforJesusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6966265797906043497.post-994863730092072432017-06-29T06:38:37.618-07:002017-06-29T06:38:37.618-07:00Cleburne county resident-the Holms have made state...Cleburne county resident-the Holms have made statements regarding the kidnapping in the hospital of their child that have basically not been refuted by the ones involved in taking him. Medical records of baby back up what they said, security guards and staff basically say how it came down. The discrepancies (which are critically important) involve details only known to the participants (and me because I typed the transcripts). Those discrepancies show collusion, perjury, and conspiracy to kidnap OR it's just miranda gone wild to protect the state's liability factor when the state realized they messed up. We call that clean up. Who can know which it was? We can't be sure of motive at this time. Only we are sure that this baby was slated for Title IVe funds and removed like so many other innocents have been. Obviously, whoever you are, you are not privvy to those transcripts and don't know what you are talking about. One day, everyone will know.Susan Dunn Cobbhttp://facebook.com/stillworkingforJesusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6966265797906043497.post-54023475482307040482017-06-28T11:59:41.029-07:002017-06-28T11:59:41.029-07:00So you're just not coming back so you don'...So you're just not coming back so you don't have to have any responsibility for your words then? That's definitely what a mature adult with valid points would do. Another Cleburne County residentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6966265797906043497.post-59502973951204815252017-06-27T07:26:02.176-07:002017-06-27T07:26:02.176-07:00@ Al Thompson,
Thanks for the response.
I'll...@ Al Thompson,<br /><br />Thanks for the response.<br /><br />I'll take your response as meaning that, for all you know, the State of Alabama did have legal, constitutional reasons for taking custody of Baby Holm.<br /><br />If, after what you said in your challenge, you are not going to "affirm" anything (which is not "oath-taking" by the way), there is no discussion to advance here.<br /><br />If you want to take up the negative in response to my fundamental affirmatives in the Baby Holm case, you can come to my place and we can try to get it going; and you would be welcome to mirror it whereever you want.<br /><br />Thanks for the consideration.RLBatyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14685581652348535601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6966265797906043497.post-89598396465666792962017-06-26T22:56:54.285-07:002017-06-26T22:56:54.285-07:00We can do it here but I'm not affirming anythi...We can do it here but I'm not affirming anything. I'm not an oath taker. You can start it by producing some facts that show the Alabama codes apply to the Holm family.Very Dumb Governmenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02876506942640912935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6966265797906043497.post-55797147351528981562017-06-26T18:02:08.066-07:002017-06-26T18:02:08.066-07:00The basic truth in this matter is that the baby wa...The basic truth in this matter is that the baby was kidnapped, and that's a capital offense. The Holm family isn't the only one. This nonsense is going on around the whole country. When people are put under pressure from the government, because of it's violent acts, they cave in and try to comply. However, it was psychological exam that really violated their religious or spiritual beliefs. In addition, there was the danger of someone lying on the report and then they would accuse him of something he didn't do. Psychology is junk science and it is practiced by idiots. "Christians" should know better than to submit an exam but like the rest of the uninformed people, they do it to their own detriment. A kidnap is not a crazy idea and the issue is as simple as it gets. There was no abuse of anyone except the State inflicting their bullshit on other people. And there are a lot of parents out there that can testify to the same things that happened to them. What laws apply to the Holm family? Even if I accepted your premise, the government violates its own codes which really mean nothing. If someone is accusing someone of anything, it is up to them to provide the evidence. My evidence is that they took the baby without any probable cause. There's no other issue other than that. I believe you are the liar that is trying to cover up this abomination. Let's face it, the government, if it is going to kidnap children, has no right to exist let alone comply with anything. You can't debate because you have no logical or reasoned point to make. It is a simple kidnapping and I guess you don't want to accept the fact that the government is involved in child trafficking. And they have been doing right in front of our collective faces.<br />Very Dumb Governmenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02876506942640912935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6966265797906043497.post-11612284877705922312017-06-26T17:32:51.520-07:002017-06-26T17:32:51.520-07:00And you know these are lies how? What information ...And you know these are lies how? What information are you privy to that we aren't? Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08806855334312975235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6966265797906043497.post-58943714144358910162017-06-26T16:37:04.727-07:002017-06-26T16:37:04.727-07:00Proposition for Discussion
There were no reasons ...Proposition for Discussion<br /><br />There were no reasons justifying the State<br />of Alabama's taking of Baby Holm.<br /><br />- Al Thompson: Affirm<br />- Robert Baty: Deny<br /><br />Let me know if you want to advance that claim you seem to be making in your article and we can look for a neutral venue to negotiate how best to produce that discussion, or perhaps a couple of venues, one of each of our own choosing, to mirror the discussion.<br /><br />Or, you might just submit your own first affirmative effort to justify your proposition and I will consider accepting it or explaining why your effort failed.<br /><br />RLBatyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14685581652348535601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6966265797906043497.post-30896412705913967672017-06-26T16:20:57.215-07:002017-06-26T16:20:57.215-07:00Al, you've been told repeatedly, but refuse to...Al, you've been told repeatedly, but refuse to acknowledge even the most basic commonly accepted truths. There are laws of this land and as citizens of this land, we are responsible to acknowledge them. This is NOT a criminal case. No warrant or probable cause is even possible. There were issues at the hospital. The Holm's have lied about the manner they behaved while there. Their story changes every time they air anyone else tell it. The Holm's allow these false stories to perpetuate and therefore acknowledge their accuracy.<br /><br /><br />The Holm's cry foul every time someone disagrees with them, and claim they only love. I've seen absolutely no evidence of their love. Who have they helped, who haves the blessed with their love. <br /><br /><br />Only one example of their 100s of lies. Go back to the beginning and look at their page. They claim to comply would be a denying of their Creator, and they will NEVER defy him, but in TODAY'S post Daniele claims , they did everything that was asked of them. They provided everything asked for. In other words they complied. Which one is the truth? Who knows because they lie about everything. It's a matter of which ever story gets them the most press, and therefore the more attention and donations.<br /><br /><br />I'm putting this out there. I'm not going to debate your CRAZY ideas. I'm not ever even going to look at this page again. Just put your tinfold hat back on and watch for aliens. Anyone who continues to believe their lies, deserves your kind of support.<br /><br /><br />They walked or drove, which ever lie you choose to believe, and left their baby behind. In the system you claim sells baby part to McDonald for patties. That tells in own story in my opinion. Cleburne County residenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14956348406459004274noreply@blogger.com